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volsrock
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 Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: Birth certificate forgery (Uh-oh) |
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Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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This was endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign!!
It was a fake and the campaign knew it to be a fake...Thus Obama is a fake..LOL
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Hmm. Even if we give credence to the whole "forgery" scenario, just for fun; if Obama was born in Hawaii, to an American mother, he is an American citizen, is he not?
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volsrock
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Ya...IF!
But as of yet we have seen nothing that shows he was born in Hawaii..other then a FORGED BC..that the Obama campaign said was real at the time.
You would think he could produce a REAL one...I can and Im sure you can...why cant Obama?
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Do you have any evidence where else he might have been born, if not in Hawaii?
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volsrock
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you have any evidence where else he might have been born, if not in Hawaii? |
Nope...but as of yet Obama has not produced evidence that he was born in Hawaii....And the evidence that was put out was fake.
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Would you keep your pathetic crap worthless threads in the "in the news" forum with all of the rest of your pathetic crap threads?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you have any evidence where else he might have been born, if not in Hawaii? |
Nope...but as of yet Obama has not produced evidence that he was born in Hawaii....And the evidence that was put out was fake. |
So you've said. Wonder why McCain hasn't jumped all over this if the evidence is so compelling. Guess they're going to bundle it in with the proof that he's Muslim and the Michelle hatin' on Whitey video for an October surprise. 
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Would you keep your pathetic crap worthless threads in the "in the news" forum with all of the rest of your pathetic crap threads?
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LOL
Go give aid and support to a Muslim suicide bomber!..your side does that so well.
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Gee, it's sad that an American citizen has to be doubted as too if he was born here. Guilty before proven innocent?
Maybe you are on to something Vols, his parent had him in another country and then on a whim decided that since he will be running for president some day, we should forge a birth certificate for him!!!
And it doesn't matter where he was born, as long as his parents are citizens so is he...
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Child born in wedlock to one U.S. citizen parent and one non-U.S. Citizen parent between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986: A child born outside of the United States to one U.S. Citizen parent and one non-U.S. Citizen parent, may be entitled to citizenship providing the U.S. Citizen parent had, prior to the birth of the child, been physically present in the United States for a period of ten years, at least five years of which were after s/he reached the age of fourteen.
http://guangzhou.usembassy-china.org.cn/new_baby/birth_registration.html
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ShadowGator
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Of all places, the embassy in China eh? Made in China literally... 
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Go give aid and support to a Muslim suicide bomber!..your side does that so well. |
So is that original material for you or did you or did you copy it off a blog?
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DetroitGator
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: |
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Go give aid and support to a Muslim suicide bomber!..your side does that so well. |
So is that original material for you or did you or did you copy it off a blog? |
Why have you two jackasses taken this thread off point?
As usual, Vol actually brings up a VALID issue, but shoots himself in the foot with an elephant gun by going off into la la land... then, PREDICTIBLY, instead of talking about the underlying issue and trying to understand/talk about it, the "Vol haters" come rushing in and and drag off what could be an educational and interesting thread and hijack it into deep stupidity!
In an effort to get this back on track, here goes!
Much like John Kerry and his military records (which NO TL, have not been released because he has never signed the form and what his campaign released was not complete), Obama only needs to produce the documents that he himself said exist.
Why is this important? Because, if he was NOT born on US territory and only ONE of his parents were a citizen, then he CANNOT be president, end of story.
Now then, so I don't appear to be biased, McCain's birth is open to interpretation as well! While he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and I BELIEVE (not totally sure) that he is "clear" on this subject, I also BELIEVE that the laws (or whatever) covering the Canal Zone were written BEFORE he was born, but not technically codified (or whatever) until the year after he was born, but both of his parents were US citizens and I think most people are passed the issue with McCain, but again, I'm not completely clear on the legalities of it.
The difference? McCain doesn't seem to be hiding anything regarding his birth. With Obama, I'm not sure what the deal is, but I would think that any reasonable person, regardless of political affiliation, would and should ask this: "Why would you put doctored documents on your website when in your book you state that you have in your possession both original docs?"
I don't know, but it is interesting, so lets please keep in on topic instead of you two dragging it off... unless L-Boy, that is what you are trying to do because you don't want to ask the basic question. In the meantime, why don't you do the "opposition research" on what I'm talking about with McCain and raise it as a counterpoint? I guess it's easier to be lazy and and just say "Vol is a bigot!"
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volsrock
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| Why have you two jackasses taken this thread off point? |
If you notice LBoy kicked it off topic with his slam of me FIRST!
When ever his side cant talk about something thats what they do...or they start with the racist Nazi crap.
Because whenever they cant come back with a valid point they start with that crap...meaning THEY HAVE LOST!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Why have you two jackasses taken this thread off point? |
If you notice LBoy kicked it off topic with his slam of me FIRST!
When ever his side cant talk about something thats what they do...or they start with the racist Nazi crap.
Because whenever they cant come back with a valid point they start with that crap...meaning THEY HAVE LOST! |
Um, no, you encourage it. You start with the title of the thread with an "uh oh!"... hardly objective. Then you get into the "Obama is FAKE LOL" stuff. It does not help your cause.
Vol, in my opinion, you raise a LOT (yes, a lot) of valid issues and provide a lot of accurate info, but no one pays attention to it because you blather it up with unnecessary stuff that weakens your position (I'm guilty of it sometimes too).
For instance, TL wanted anyone to give him an example of Obama lying. Well it's easy. The video of him saying he NEVER in 20 years, heard Reverend Wright say anything controversial on one hand, then, 3 days later, having to admit just the opposite is very easy to find, but it's made by someone who ruins the power of it with a whole bunch of LIAR! crap overlaid in the video which causes people to focus on the wrong part... you do that a lot.
Again, the subject you brought up is COMPLETELY valid (as is McCain's birth) but you give "the other side" every opportunity to not focus on what appear to be the facts of the matter because you can't help yourself with the "uh oh" and all caps FAKE.
After you did that, L-Boy went after you. It's hard to go after you if you'd leave the rhetoric out and just focus on what appear to be the facts.
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L-Boy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Why have you two jackasses taken this thread off point? |
If you notice LBoy kicked it off topic with his slam of me FIRST!
When ever his side cant talk about something thats what they do...or they start with the racist Nazi crap.
Because whenever they cant come back with a valid point they start with that crap...meaning THEY HAVE LOST! |
Um, no, you encourage it. You start with the title of the thread with an "uh oh!"... hardly objective. Then you get into the "Obama is FAKE LOL" stuff. It does not help your cause.
Vol, in my opinion, you raise a LOT (yes, a lot) of valid issues and provide a lot of accurate info, but no one pays attention to it because you blather it up with unnecessary stuff that weakens your position (I'm guilty of it sometimes too).
For instance, TL wanted anyone to give him an example of Obama lying. Well it's easy. The video of him saying he NEVER in 20 years, heard Reverend Wright say anything controversial on one hand, then, 3 days later, having to admit just the opposite is very easy to find, but it's made by someone who ruins the power of it with a whole bunch of LIAR! crap overlaid in the video which causes people to focus on the wrong part... you do that a lot.
Again, the subject you brought up is COMPLETELY valid (as is McCain's birth) but you give "the other side" every opportunity to not focus on what appear to be the facts of the matter because you can't help yourself with the "uh oh" and all caps FAKE.
After you did that, L-Boy went after you. It's hard to go after you if you'd leave the rhetoric out and just focus on what appear to be the facts. |
This particular jackass does not have much patience for this simple minded cuisine. It is not relevant, it is just lies and character assasination. It does not do anything to help us determine who may be a better president. Typically, budvol posts all his crap over in in the news, and that is fine, the interesting and relevant issues conversation can stay here.
Budvol is a low IQ'd simpleton who has no grasp for political issues so it treats this as a damn football game. He represents everything that is wrong with this nation, and people like him are the reason democracies often fail in the long term. He can't even formulate an original thought, he has to copy even simple response sentences from blogs. He rants about ebonics but can't even put together a simple noun verb combination.
Keep it over in "in the news" that is really what it was created for, Budvols idiotic irrelevant rants. If they are over here, I reserve the right to respond accordingly, and the mods can delete my responses or ban me, whatever they see fit.
The fact that some of you actually seem to see some validity in some of idiotvols stuff is scary in itself, but I can't control that. People believe what they want to believe, if it fits in with their world view. Whether it is objective or even makes any sense is irrelevant to most people. That is the beauty of the 21st century, you get to formulate whatever cock-eyed view you choose on whatever basis, and you can find fruitcakes out there that have already put together ready propoganda for your ill informed view, no matter how moronic.
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volsrock
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| L-Boy wrote: |
| DetroitGator wrote: |
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| Why have you two jackasses taken this thread off point? |
If you notice LBoy kicked it off topic with his slam of me FIRST!
When ever his side cant talk about something thats what they do...or they start with the racist Nazi crap.
Because whenever they cant come back with a valid point they start with that crap...meaning THEY HAVE LOST! |
Um, no, you encourage it. You start with the title of the thread with an "uh oh!"... hardly objective. Then you get into the "Obama is FAKE LOL" stuff. It does not help your cause.
Vol, in my opinion, you raise a LOT (yes, a lot) of valid issues and provide a lot of accurate info, but no one pays attention to it because you blather it up with unnecessary stuff that weakens your position (I'm guilty of it sometimes too).
For instance, TL wanted anyone to give him an example of Obama lying. Well it's easy. The video of him saying he NEVER in 20 years, heard Reverend Wright say anything controversial on one hand, then, 3 days later, having to admit just the opposite is very easy to find, but it's made by someone who ruins the power of it with a whole bunch of LIAR! crap overlaid in the video which causes people to focus on the wrong part... you do that a lot.
Again, the subject you brought up is COMPLETELY valid (as is McCain's birth) but you give "the other side" every opportunity to not focus on what appear to be the facts of the matter because you can't help yourself with the "uh oh" and all caps FAKE.
After you did that, L-Boy went after you. It's hard to go after you if you'd leave the rhetoric out and just focus on what appear to be the facts. |
This particular jackass does not have much patience for this simple minded cuisine.
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Personal attack!...I guess you reserved your right to respond accordingly...and you seem to think that you can do that?
But if Bush had something out there that "MAY HAVE" been forged etc...In L Boys mind that would be relevant and he and his kind would be the first to post it here.
But if you post something about their Messiah Obama it is idiotic and irrelevant or racist...that's how they attack your post that's how they want to play.
In this thread L Boy has proven just that..with his name calling and his put downs etc.
If he does not agree or think what you posted should have been then to him its "idiotic and irrelevant or racist"
that's the only stuff he hits the topic with
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So he thinks he can rule as to who posts here? And if someone posts here that HE does not like...he can and has the RIGHT to respond accordingly and with personal attacks. He seems to think he is an elite status.... DON'T ALL LIBS?
By the way Obama was born in Kenya...I have just as much prove of that..as Obama has showed he was born in Hawaii.
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L-Boy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| volsrock wrote: |
| L-Boy wrote: |
| DetroitGator wrote: |
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| Why have you two jackasses taken this thread off point? |
If you notice LBoy kicked it off topic with his slam of me FIRST!
When ever his side cant talk about something thats what they do...or they start with the racist Nazi crap.
Because whenever they cant come back with a valid point they start with that crap...meaning THEY HAVE LOST! |
Um, no, you encourage it. You start with the title of the thread with an "uh oh!"... hardly objective. Then you get into the "Obama is FAKE LOL" stuff. It does not help your cause.
Vol, in my opinion, you raise a LOT (yes, a lot) of valid issues and provide a lot of accurate info, but no one pays attention to it because you blather it up with unnecessary stuff that weakens your position (I'm guilty of it sometimes too).
For instance, TL wanted anyone to give him an example of Obama lying. Well it's easy. The video of him saying he NEVER in 20 years, heard Reverend Wright say anything controversial on one hand, then, 3 days later, having to admit just the opposite is very easy to find, but it's made by someone who ruins the power of it with a whole bunch of LIAR! crap overlaid in the video which causes people to focus on the wrong part... you do that a lot.
Again, the subject you brought up is COMPLETELY valid (as is McCain's birth) but you give "the other side" every opportunity to not focus on what appear to be the facts of the matter because you can't help yourself with the "uh oh" and all caps FAKE.
After you did that, L-Boy went after you. It's hard to go after you if you'd leave the rhetoric out and just focus on what appear to be the facts. |
This particular jackass does not have much patience for this simple minded cuisine.
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Personal attack!...I guess you reserved your right to respond accordingly...and you seem to think that you can do that?
But if Bush had something out there that "MAY HAVE" been forged etc...In L Boys mind that would be relevant and he and his kind would be the first to post it here.
But if you post something about their Messiah Obama it is idiotic and irrelevant or racist...that's how they attack your post that's how they want to play.
In this thread L Boy has proven just that..with his name calling and his put downs etc.
If he does not agree or think what you posted should have been then to him its "idiotic and irrelevant or racist"
that's the only stuff he hits the topic with
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| If they are over here, I reserve the right to respond accordingly |
So he thinks he can rule as to who posts here? And if someone posts here that HE does not like...he can and has the RIGHT to respond accordingly and with personal attacks. He seems to think he is an elite status.... DON'T ALL LIBS?
By the way Obama was born in Kenya...I have just as much prove of that..as Obama has showed he was born in Hawaii. |
Original thoughts, or blog copy/paste?
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ShadowGator
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DG, I would think the election commision, the democratic party, McCain's group,etc has already validated his birth certificate or credentials, dontcha think?
As said, this is nothing more than character attacks and consipiracy chatter...
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The problem with arguing with an idiot is that he eventually pulls you down to his level and beats you with superior experience at that level. 
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| The problem with arguing with an idiot is that he eventually pulls you down to his level and beats you with superior experience at that level. |
I'm giving up on this one... it's never going to graduate from the third grade!
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Funny to see Vol's cry like a school girl... "he attacked me first... waaaaaaa!!!"
Vols, I seem to recall you typing many times "Blunder" in reference to TL so you are really running on that Kettle thing when you start whining about personal attacks. Not to mention attacks on gays and muslims, whom might actually be represented here on the boards by any of the posters in these threads...
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| It is not relevant, it is just lies and character assasination. It does not do anything to help us determine who may be a better president. Typically, budvol posts all his crap over in in the news, and that is fine, the interesting and relevant issues conversation can stay here. |
Its as relevant as any document produced on Bush about his military service and including the ones that Rather new were fake as well. That caused quite a stir and to Cats point about where he was born if not Hawaii, there is no proof of him being born anywhere else soooo..why the need for the forged document in the first place? You dont do that unless you are trying to cover something up. I dont like all the smut throwing but lets not act like Obama is "hands off" on anything but the issues. That's just plain stupid.
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| It is not relevant, it is just lies and character assasination. It does not do anything to help us determine who may be a better president. Typically, budvol posts all his crap over in in the news, and that is fine, the interesting and relevant issues conversation can stay here. |
Its as relevant as any document produced on Bush about his military service and including the ones that Rather new were fake as well. That caused quite a stir and to Cats point about where he was born if not Hawaii, there is no proof of him being born anywhere else soooo..why the need for the forged document in the first place? You dont do that unless you are trying to cover something up. I dont like all the smut throwing but lets not act like Obama is "hands off" on anything but the issues. That's just plain stupid. |
I never bought into the Bush military service crap, except as a point of comparison when they tried to slander Kerry for his service. Remember, I am a registered Republican supported Bush in 2000 (much to my regret). I had little sympathy for Rather when he put himself out there like that - he was not an objective journalist, he has always been a liberal hack.
Maybe I will pay attention if at some point there is any legitmacy to it, although I don't see anyone making the case that he wasn't born in Hawaii. So in my mind this is just crap
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| I never bought into the Bush military service crap, except as a point of comparison when they tried to slander Kerry for his service. Remember, I am a registered Republican supported Bush in 2000 (much to my regret). I had little sympathy for Rather when he put himself out there like that - he was not an objective journalist, he has always been a liberal hack. |
Maybe you didnt but alot of people and the media did. Shouldnt the two get the same treatment? Thats my only question.
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